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	<title>Comments on: Insidious Pedagogy &#8211; some thoughts on Lisa Lane&#8217;s article</title>
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		<title>By: Mark Smithers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Smithers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 03:42:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi David,

Thanks for the comment. Yes it&#039;s a hard question as to how pedagogy might be included at evaluation time. I also agree that LMS&#039;s are often the wrong solution - at least the way they are currently implemented.

Mark

PS. I like your idea abt submitting readers experiences of LMS evaluations. Should be interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi David,</p>
<p>Thanks for the comment. Yes it&#8217;s a hard question as to how pedagogy might be included at evaluation time. I also agree that LMS&#8217;s are often the wrong solution &#8211; at least the way they are currently implemented.</p>
<p>Mark</p>
<p>PS. I like your idea abt submitting readers experiences of LMS evaluations. Should be interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: djplaner</title>
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		<dc:creator>djplaner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 01:14:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>G&#039;day Mark,

You make an important point about the general absence of consideration of pedagogical impacts in LMS evaluations. And to some extent I would agree that such considerations should be there.

However, I can&#039;t by the question of how you might do this.  How do you predict something as complex as this?  Lisa&#039;s work may give some indications, but I&#039;m not sure you can really tell.   Based on this I wonder whether any such attempt would become about giving the impression of rationality and objectivity, rather than actually being able to make any claims about effectiveness.

Are there any examples of where this has tried to be done?

Of course, I am biased.  I tend to think most LMS evaluations tend towards serving impressions rather than effectiveness.  Do I have some stories to tell.....

Further extending my bias, is the fact that I think LMSs are the wrong solution, but that&#039;s a story for the &lt;a href=&quot;http://davidtjones.wordpress.com/2009/10/05/lectures-and-the-lms-alternatives-and-experiments/&quot;&gt;coming presentation&lt;/a&gt;.

David.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>G&#8217;day Mark,</p>
<p>You make an important point about the general absence of consideration of pedagogical impacts in LMS evaluations. And to some extent I would agree that such considerations should be there.</p>
<p>However, I can&#8217;t by the question of how you might do this.  How do you predict something as complex as this?  Lisa&#8217;s work may give some indications, but I&#8217;m not sure you can really tell.   Based on this I wonder whether any such attempt would become about giving the impression of rationality and objectivity, rather than actually being able to make any claims about effectiveness.</p>
<p>Are there any examples of where this has tried to be done?</p>
<p>Of course, I am biased.  I tend to think most LMS evaluations tend towards serving impressions rather than effectiveness.  Do I have some stories to tell&#8230;..</p>
<p>Further extending my bias, is the fact that I think LMSs are the wrong solution, but that&#8217;s a story for the <a href="http://davidtjones.wordpress.com/2009/10/05/lectures-and-the-lms-alternatives-and-experiments/">coming presentation</a>.</p>
<p>David.</p>
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